Messaging and non-profit fundraising

Today’s show is another response to questions that I found this week. This time the questions came from a list serve that I subscribe to, and the focus was about how non-profits can use text messaging for fundraising. I responded on the list serve and was kind of surprised that I hadn’t already done a podcast on this.

One interesting thing about podcasts is that it’s really hard to know who is listening. We get stats on how many people download, but it’s not possible to know who you listeners are. If you’re not a non-profit, keep listening. If you are interested in Messaging, there is a lot to learn from the non-profit space. This might not be typical – or stereotypical – nonprofits usually aren’t thought of as being on the vanguard of technology. But I would posit that NPOs are really leading the charge when it comes to messaging, especially text messaging.

Think about it – in 2008 Obama announced his VP pick via SMS. That was a national news story and almost a decade ago. A year and a half after that, the Haiti earthquake happened and mobile donations exploded on the scene. The Red Cross raised 36 million dollars from Americans texting Haiti to 90999 and giving $5 donations on their phone bill.

So as messaging and bots came back into vogue in 2016 when FB Messenger announced the messenger platform, it wasn’t really a breakthrough. A lot of organizations were already doing SMS campaigns.

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Why are non-profits advanced?
Back to non-profits. I’m pretty convinced that NPOs are pretty far ahead of the game compared to commercial businesses. There are a lot of companies doing SMS, certainly more than there are NPOs, but I haven’t seen the same type of innovation from business. I’m not sure why exactly, but I actually have a new theory. Previously I had 2 ideas as to why non-profits seemed to be out in front of corporations.

1. It’s pretty simple, I thought it was vendor-driven. Being in that space, I knew a number of vendors doing innovative campaigns. When I saw and heard about some of the SMS vendors working with for profits, I wasn’t that impressed. I doubt this is still the case, but it was a few years ago.

2. The second theory was the nature of non-profit communications. When the non-profit finds a new supporter, they aren’t focused on the short term donation, it’s nice of course, but the organization is also thinking about this person donating 50 thousand dollars in their will. The idea of ongoing CRM and building a relationship is incredibly important. I worked with many for-profit companies where we would build a big list, and then just stop communicating with people once the conversation was over. This mindset is changing a bit, but this change isn’t wide spread. I spend thousands of dollars on my car and never hear from the manufacturer or the dealer for that matter.

I think this second idea sticks a bit, but the big reason that nonprofits have had better results with SMS is user driven. Messaging is a personal channel. It’s a little scary for a consumer to trust a company on the user’s personal channel, but a non-profit that focuses on a cause the person cares about. Yes, they’ll connect on that personal channel. If you love dogs, you’re willing to give the Humane Society your phone number. No matter how much you love hot dogs, you don’t want Oscar Meyer texting you.

That’s the theory at least.

Anyway back to the question about how non-profits can drive fundraising via SMS. We’re going to list a few options. One point to think about with all of these options is – where does the transaction happen. If you work at a non-profit, think about that and think about if where the transaction happens is important to you.

1. Mobile Donations — Our first option for non-profit fundraising is a Mobile Donation. This is sometimes called mobile giving or text to donate, but the idea here is that the donation goes on the users phone bill. That’s what distinguishes mobile donations. When I mentioned the Red Cross raising money for Haiti, this is what they did.

The advantage is that it’s easy and fast to drive small donations from individuals. With mobile donations the organization can collect $5, $10 or $25 dollar donations. They set up the campaign and select a keyword. The user texts in the keyword and recieves an immediate response asking them to confirm the donation. The user replies yes and then the charge is added to the phone bill. That’s all the user needs to do – except pay their phone bill obviously.

The downside of mobile donations is that the carriers are collecting money and remitting it all to the non-profit, but the carrier doesn’t give the customer data to the non-profit. Most of the time, this is a problem for the non-profit – the donors data is just as important as the donation – especially a small donation like 5 or 10 dollars.

So mobile donations are mostly used in disaster type situations. If something is front page news, like a hurricane for instance, there might be a lot of people willing to chip in. The non profit might be in major fundraising mode, but these people that want to help are not the typical donor for the organization. They are donating because the news or celebrity tells them to do so. The non-profit probably doesn’t even want this donor in their CRM becuase they are so unlikely to donate again or want updates from the organization.

Basically, mobile donations work when the organization would rather have a small donation, rather than the donor and their information.

We’re going to move on to the next approach for an organization, text to pledge.

2. Text to Pledge – This is a term of art. Basically, it means that the organization builds an autoresponse conversation that collects contact information and donation amount or “pledge” amount. The supporter is then followed up with to complete the transaction. Usually this followup is via email, a link in a text or even a phone call.

This idea originated because mobile donations (added on the phone bill) became a big trend after the Haiti earthquake. But setting up text donations was a process and it’s fairly inflexible – there are low donation amounts and no data. A few companies started promoting this idea of text to pledge and it fit well for some organizations. Most of the time it’s more of a service than a product – so the text to pledge vendor might be running the event or staff the people that are calling on the phone.

I mentioned that text to pledge is a term of art. The idea of collecting data over SMS and driving action is kindof what every organization is doing. Text to Pledge means speeding up the interaction and trying to squeeze everything into a single day or single campaign. When I was selling SMS software, our pitch wasn’t opposed to text to pledge, but we viewed SMS as a long term channel for the organization – not just something that powers an event.

Text to Pledge is a short term campaign, focused on a little data collection and driving a transaction.

3. Integrated Transaction – The next fundraising approach doesn’t really have a name. It’s been called quick donate or fast donate. I’m calling it an integrated transaction — not super-catchy. What this means is that an action in the text message triggers the credit card transaction. This is pretty powerful. Text messages have high open rates and high response rates. If someone signs up for the SMS list, they are generally a big fan, not just checking it out. If these people can be sent a message and complete a donation with only a few clicks, that’s a big deal.

This is exactly what we talked about with Lloyd Cotler who managed SMS on the Hillary Clinton Campaign. You can check out that past episode – it’s from November 25 of 2017. This integrated transaction is pretty advanced and only a few organizations have been able to pull this off. The results are generally great, so hopefully any technical issues can be worked out and more organizations can take this approach.

In order for this integrated transaction to work, a few pieces need to be in place. First the organization needs a system that can save a credit card and attach it to the user. This generally won’t happen in the text message platform, but some non profit CRMs/donation platforms allow this. Once it’s possible for this credit card to be saved then the SMS platform just pings the CRM system and tells it to drive a transaction. There are probably a million particular details, but this is the gist.

When done correctly this is a home run. We already have the user data, the transaction can be fast, and the donor can choose any amount to donate. I guess the one hang up is that it’s not great for first time donors. The supporter would have needed to give their cc previously in order to have that saved. This type of transaction is also a shift in timeline – compared to text to donate or text to plege. With those options, the entire messaging interaction is focused on the donation. Literally, the call to action says, Text In To Donate. This integrated Transaction works with an ongoing relationship. we’ve been building a list and communicating regularly and this donation ask, is just one ask throughou the relationship.

The other interesting thing – in my work on FB Messenger, this integrated donation is a little smoother. It’s not being done yet, although it’s quiet possible.

4. Campaigning – The last approach to fundraising doesn’t really have a name. I’m just going to call it text message campaigning. In my opinion this is obviously the way that makes the most sense. When an organization launches a website, it’s not just a page to make a donation. There’s campaign information, petitions, about us, contact us and then also pages to donate. Same with an email campaign. No one would join the email list if the pitch was – sign up for our email list and we’ll ask you to donate over and over again. Email and the web are channels. The organization needs to connect with users, share information and of course every once in a while, ask for donations.

It’s the same with a text message list. The organization needs to build their mobile list and start with interesting and engaging commmunications and then mix in donation asks. You would never build a one page website and then tell people to go there to donate. Telling people to text in to donate would be analogous to that one page website. Sure, when there’s an emergency and it’s all about fundraising, maybe the donation form goes on the home page – but that’s rare.

What works for most organizations is to build a mobile SMS list, and keep the people on that list active. The same way they’d build an email list and keep it active. When there is a fundraising campaign the organization will send out an email ask, and at that time, they should also send a text to the mobile list. Even if the user doesn’t donate, by clicking the link in the text, the SMS will make the supporter more likely to donate online. In the past I’ve done a study and found that and a supporter that receives a text and an email is 3 times more likely to donate, compared to someone that receives an email and no text message. Most of those donors just aren’t donating on the phone.

So again, it all comes down to building a list, nurturing that list and giving people a good reason to support the organization.

New Channels — I mentioned it a little, approaches that we already listed, but there’s also an additional option where an organization can use Messenger and take advanatage of Facebook donate or a saved credit card that FB might be holding. I expect this will be possible, but w just need to see if this comes to fruition.

To sum up, there are really a lot of approaches when it comes to fundraising via messaging. The big questions that an organization needs to ask are – 1) How are we going to get people to message in. Same as if you built a website, you would need to decide, “How will we get people to the site.” The other question is about the transaction. What type of amounts make sense, and would you like the donation coming through a credit card or to try something more advanced. And like everything in life, there aren’t too many shortcuts. What really works is to connect with supporters, engage and nurture the list and make strong asks that are connected to issues that the list cares about.

Hope this was a helpful overview. I’d love questions or feedback….

Q&A Episode – Use cases and differences of messaging channels

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On today’s show I’m going to give my opinion on a few questions that a listener had. Along these lines…. if you’re listening and want me to talk about something, let me know. Message in.

A few questions came from Lauren. First

– What is messaging used more most frequently and how does that differ across platforms (SMS, Facebook, What’s App etc)?
There are a million answers here because messaging is a comunication channel. Generally, the messaging use case would be something that the organization is already doing via email, phone call or mail and for any number of reasons it makes sense to add messaging or use messaging instead of the other channel. The major use cases are
1. Transactional – 2FA, text to confirm a purchase or redemption, or a bank texting about transfer or deposit. These are pretty boring, but super useful. These cases will mostly rely on SMS because the company has your phone number and they can just send out a text.

2. A close cousin to transactional messages are reminder messages. An example is that my dentist reminds me about an appointment. Maybe this is a little more interesting than the transactional stuff, but still pretty simple. Traditionally these reminders have sent via SMS, but this is an area where FAcebook Messenger might be trying to encroach. They might have an advantage over SMS too because with FB Messenger you can send buttons such as – confirm/change appointment etc. Where with text message the reminder would say, respond CHANGE or CONFIRM – which is a little clunky.

3. There is customer service use cases where customers are messaging in questions and complaints and then the company is responding to the person or providing answers. This is either live messaging or this is the space where people are mostly talking about bots. A bot would be an automation that receives the message from the user, figures out what the person is saying and then replies with an answer. I’m not really bullish on bots, and the customer service use case isn’t my favorite. This customer service is a use case that’s possible on both SMS and Facebook Messenger. Facebook Messenger is new, but it might have the advantage with customer service.

If I buy a new Bose stereo and I’m having trouble with it, maybe I want to message in for some help. I don’t necessarily know how to send a text to Bose. Sure there might be a card in the box that tells me how, but on Facebook Messenger I can just search for Bose and be fairly confident that I’ll find them. If this messaging-customer-service use case becomes a real thing, I think Facebook Messenger will win because all of the companies already have a prescence there.

4. The use case that I like most on messaging channels is the idea of messaging as a marketing channel. In the desktop era the main marketing channels have been email and webpages. As we move into the mobile era, I think that messaging can do a lot of the things that pages and email did in the desktop era. Under this idea of marketing, we really have 3 use cases – Acquisition, Engagement and Activation.

Acquisition means that we can drive someone into a conversation and then collect data in that conversation. In the desktop era we would tell someone to go to and fill out a webform to give the company their email address. With messaging, instead of promoting the link to the page, we could drive someone to a conversation and the conversation would ask for the data – rather than a webform asking for the data. These marketing use cases work on both SMS and Facebook, but interestingly acquisition works a little differently on each channel.

We’re going to go deeper on acquisition in a question coming up.

Still in the Marketing category, the next use case is Engagement. Since messaging is so personal it works very well to respond to a subscriber one on one. I think of this engagement idea as an offshoot from the acquisition piece. So one on one conversation driving to a marketing oucome – not answering customer service questions. I have a lot of ideas about scaling this one on one engagement – but that is probably something to discuss at another time.

Finally in this marketing category, the last use case is Activation. That’s a fancy way of saying since people are messaging in in the acquisition process rather than going to a webpage – we have a tremendous advantage if we send them broadcast messages back. You just can’t do that with a webpage – when the person leaves, they are gone. If someone messages in, they may be subscribing to receive future messages.

This gets a little tricky with the different channels. With SMS you need to be sure to have opt in language that explains to the user that they are opting in. Each text message costs money, so most organizations only send messages that are important – this is a great natural limit so consumers aren’t getting spammed with texts all day.

With Facebook Messenger there are different aspects to the broadcast based on what type of message the Page is sending. A page can send News Alerts (and a few other types of messages) at no cost. But if the FB Page wants to send a marketing or promotional message, then Facebook charges. It’s a new type of Ad called a sponsored message.

OK, so under that category of marketing, we have these 3 use cases – Acquisition, Engagement and Activation.

As far as the other channels, right now it’s only SMS and FB. Whatsapp and iMessage are rumored to be releasing APIs, but I don’t think that either is public yet. So I’m deep, deep into this stuff and it’s enough work to keep up with FB Messenger Platform.

OK, that’s a long answer – I hope it helps. On to the next question.

– What is the new “hot” thing on each platform?
We’ll keep this very short. SMS hasn’t had anything new on it for decades. BUT that’s all changing, the carriers are rolling out RCS. I don’t know the specs, but essentially the idea is that SMS will become more like a messaging app. It will handle pictures better and it will be able to send cards and buttons. This is not a sure thing, though. It’s taken the carriers – verizon, ATT etc so long to innovate on SMS, that there are now other factors to deal with. The biggest being Apple. The beauty of SMS is that it’s on every phone, but with RCS it’s unlcear if Apple will support RCS on the iphone. Why would they? They already have iMessage. If RCS isn’t on the iphone, then it’s pretty much toast.

Facebook Messenger is releasing new features all the time. The most interesting new feature might be the webchat plugin. Any website can install Facebook Messenger. It will popup on the bottom right of the webpage, just like a live chat software. When a user starts a conversation, it’s happening over Messenger. There are a lot of interesting aspects, but the biggest is that once the user starts the Messenger conversation they are now connected on a channel outside of the browser. So the brand can follow up the next day and they’ll still reach the user. With the old live chat software, when the user closes the browser they are gone.

The reason this is a big deal is that the webchat plugin is a way for brands to tiptoe into Messenger.

– Where do you think each platform is going in terms of major use cases?

Just starting out. Looking to learn how Brands are building the messenger contact lists?

We began the conversation about this when we were talking about the acquisition use case. Remember, to build a list, the user first needs to message in or opt in.

SMS is great for acquisition from the real world or media. The way to start a text conversation is to tell someone to take out their phone and text the word JOIN to 12345. Companies can give this call to action on the radio, tv, print promotion or from a live event. A lot of organizations will ask a user to give their phone number via webform to join the mobile list too – but in that case the webform is doing the acquisition, not the SMS. What you cannot do with SMS is link into a conversation.

Facebook Messenger is great for linking directly to the conversation. So if pepsi links someone to a Messenger conversation, when the user clicks that link it will open Facebook Messenger and load pepsi as the recipient for that user. Pepsi can also add tracking into the URL so they know where the user came from and then can even start a different conversation based on the source of the user. Facebook Ads can also route the user to Messenger. So one of the main use cases is to take Facebook ads and route those clickers into Messenger rather than the mobile landing page to collect email, phone address etc.

I would like to understand how Brands create broader messaging campaigns that universally deploy across multiple platforms. Which include Messenger, Skype etc?

This one is tough. Each channel – Messenger, Skype, SMS has it’s own capabilities. Facebook for instance has certain types of menus, carousels and share options. It’s possible to send the user a message and when they click it will post something on their Facebook Feed. While Skype and SMS don’t have the concept of a feed. If a brand is building a campaign that is cross-messaging channel, they would need to strip out any unique features. So the campaign would basically just send out text messages on every channel. It would force the campaign to be boring.

In my opinion, it’s better to dig in to one or maybe two channels. There isn’t much disadvantage. SMS reaches everyone and FB Messenger reaches almost everyone. So things aren’t super fragmented in that sense.

There are services out there. One I can think of called Smooch, that can help you build something to connect to multiple channels.

Testing Facebook Ad Objectives That Route to Messenger

This episode provides a little more insight to the article below. We test the different types of Facebook Ads to see which objective works best when routing users to Messenger.

Balint Pataki, CEO of Chatbot Tutorial and Host of Chatbot Podcast

Another episode with a fellow podcast host. Balint founded Chatbot Tutorial and hosts the Chatbot Podcast.

Part One of the episode airs on the Balint’s podcast.

Part Two is here in The Chat Bubble feed.

You can also click through to checkout a quiz about bots, and some free tutorials.

Thomas Hybki, Host of Yakker Bot Chat Podcast

I found another podcast about messaging, and we are guesting on each other’s shows. Thomas Hybki is the host of Yakker Bot Talk and he’s on The Chat Bubble today to talk about what’s new and interesting with Facebook Bots. 

You can get his podcast on iTunes. I’ll be on his show sharing all my ideas on messaging that I haven’t yet divulged on That Chat Bubble. I hope you enjoy both shows. 

Yakker Bot Talk on iTunes.

Messaging for the 2018 Election

This episode is an overview of how messaging works for political campaigns. We’re working on a more thorough written overview, but wanted to get the audio out. 

Here are some links to pages mentioned in the audio.

First, the interview with Lloyd from the Hillary for America Campaign.

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Messaging Playbook, Step 3 Engage

Today we are doing another solo series and I am talking through Chapter 3 of the messaging playbook. This part is all about engagement and how to start using messenger for engagement. If you haven’t checked out the Playbook yet, you can message in and download it. Just open FB Messenger, search for The Chat Bubble and click the get started button. We’ll ask for your email and then we’ll email you. The Playbook gives an overview of the top 4 marketing use cases for messaging and FB Messenger. We lay things out in a step by step guide so that any digital marketer can launch messaging campaigns and focus on their existing KPIs.

To download the Playbook, message in to our Facebook Page, we’ll collect your info and send the Playbook your way.

A lot of what’s in the Playbook is contrarian to the idea of bots… With bots it’s about the user messaging in and then the bot tries to interperet the message and reply back correctly. The Playbook takes the approach that messaging is a channel > a marketing channel. Instead of inventing new functionality like bots, this approach takes the objectives that marketers currently focus on and use Messenger instead of other channels.

Given that approach the first step of the Playbook is convert. The first thing that a marketer can do is build a little automated conversation designed to convert the user. Think about it like a landing page/lead form, but just in a conversation format rather than a webform. Any place that you might drive traffic to a mobile webform, you can also or instead drive traffic into a conversation. Facebook Ads are a great example where it’s possible to drive traffic into a conversation.

The second step is to test and compare the value for a visit to your mobile lead page vs a conversation. From a FB ad campaign, for instance, what’s the cost per email when the ad sends the clicker into a conversation and how does that compare to the cost when the ad sends the clicker to the web page.

Those are steps 1 and 2. One = convert and Two = Test. There is a lot more detail in the Playbook and in the previous podcast episode which are 3-4 episodes behind.

The next step is about engagement. Just a quick side note – if you’re launching messaging, you don’t have to follow these steps, but it helps an organization grow the channel in a way that makes sense.

The engagement step focuses on following up, one on one with people when it makes sense. 

Michael Lamb, President and Co-Founder of nativeMsg

Welcome to 2018. As we’re releasing this episode it’s early 2018 and absolutely freezing in DC where I am and all over the East Coast.

On today’s show we have a Chicago native, so he’s probably used to the cold > Michael Lamb, the President and Co-Founder of nativeMsg and OptIt Inc. Part of what I like about doing the podcast is that the people I speak with have different experience levels with messaging. Some people are just getting started and talking about bots, some people have been doing messaging for a long time. Michael Lamb has a lot of experience in the space.

We talk about what it was like to start a text messaging company in 2004, and how he would even explain the product to people that might have never texted back then. We discuss the growth and how he got to present day where he is launching the new company nativeMsg which builds chatbots on the new messaging platforms like Facebook Messenger. Stick around to the end of the episode, Michael shares a call to action where you can try what they’ve built.

We’re going to jump right into the show, but if you like what you hear, please subscribe. We’re on iTunes, Breaker or wherever you listen to podcasts – just search for The Chat Bubble. We’re a weekly podcast focused on messaging. A lot of interviews and sometimes just me.

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Chris Messina Discusses Conversational Commerce, Voice and the Erosion of Brands

Today’s guest on The Chat Bubble is Chris Messina. He’s pretty internet famous. Most notably, he popularized the hashtag– like the original hashtag for Tech and for Twitter, that hashtag– and more recently he coined the phrase Conversational Commerce, which has been a label for different strategies as messaging apps and automated messaging campaigns become more common. Here’s the original post on conversational commerce.

Listening to him, it’s clear that Chris spends a lot of time thinking about technology and the strategies behind a lot of the companies in the emerging sectors in the space. This is another one of those episodes that I’ve listened to twice in order to understand everything. We’ve actually also published a few show notes and links below.

If you’re just finding this podcast please subscribe. We talk about messaging channels, SMS and all of the Automation and messaging campaigns happening. You can find us on iTunes or wherever you listen to podcasts just search for the chat bubble and subscribe.

And the last piece of housekeeping we’ve published a playbook for Facebook Messenger. This outlines the top four marketing use cases for Facebook messenger and shows any digital marketer how to launch Messaging campaigns that focus on their existing KPIs. The only way to get the Playbook is to message into our Facebook page > click here to message in and get access to the Playbook.

Chris used a term that google doesn’t seem to show results for – Ultimate Reality Plasticity. It’s best defined in the show, but the general meaning is > We are talking to services that aren’t human, like Alexa, and then some human relationship are becoming more digital. An example is a kid that talks to grandparents over Facetime. So the delta between human relationships and technology relationships is getting smaller. It might get confusing whether a person is talking to another service or another human.

Chris mentions Scott Galloway and some of his ideas in The Four.

Scott’s also really good on the James Altucher Podcast.

Chris mentions as a service that surfaces interesting articles and uses messaging as a channel.

Follow Chris on Twitter – @chrismessina.

Hope you guys enjoy the show.

Messaging Playbook, Step 2 Test

We are back working through the Playbook. This week we talk about measuring results from conversations, the best ways to compare conversations to landing pages, and the long term benefits of conversations and the data that they generate. 

If you haven’t downloaded the playbook, click here to open Messenger. We’ll start a conversation to collect your information and get the Playbook to you.