Episode #19 Ishay Tentser, CEO of Initech

Ishay joined the podcast to share a few different projects that his agency has worked on, as well as a perspective of what’s happening outside the US. Ishay’s firm, Initech, has been in business for about a decade and within the last 2 years they’ve begun to focus on Facebook Messenger applications.

They are based in Israel and Ishay travels regularly through Europe and provides some anecdotes about what’s happening outside the US.

Here are a few links for contact or campaigns and examples mentioned in the show.

Ishay’s contact information. ishay at initech.co.il — http://www.linkedin.com/in/tentser

Israeli Chatbot Meetup: https://www.meetup.com/TLV-Marketing-Chatbots/

Here is a presentation on bots. https://www.slideshare.net/IshayTentser/messenger-as-a-new-marketing-platform-70853206

Finally, a demo of the internal Messenger Loyalty bot mentioned at the end of the episode. https://www.facebook.com/messages/t/341778542908006

Episode #18- Solo Series #2, All of the Messaging Platforms

This week, we have another solo podcasts that discusses messaging in detail. I’m calling these types of episodes, the Solo Series, because I can’t think of a better name. We’re going to alternate in the feed – interview then solo, etc. Here are the notes on this episode.

Solo Series with my thoughts on Messaging, terms and best practices. On the last episode we talked about Messaging as a channel and compared messaging to other communication channels like email and phone calls. All of this is from the aspect of an organization looking at Messaging channels. We’re not talking about consumers using these channels. One this episode we are going to pull it all apart, and talk about all of the different options within Messaging.

Let’s start with the first Messaging Channel, SMS. You should all know that SMS is a text message on a phone. I’m not going to go into the full history, but basically SMS was invented 25 years ago in 1992. It was created as a backchannel so that the cell phone could talk to the satellite. SMS is restricted to 160 characters and it works on every cell phone, even flip phones.

We are going to talk a lot more about SMS in the very near future, but that’s it for right now. Actually, it’s also important to think about SMS as a standard or protocol. It works across different vendors. At some level it’s the same for an organization when they send a text message to a Verizon phone and an AT&T phone.

Closely related to SMS is MMS. MMS is picture and video messages. Also available on all phones. MMS is a protocol and it’s basically built into the SMS capabilities on every phone.

Moving on from SMS and MMS to other types of messaging. I guess we have to mention RCS – Rich Communications Services. The best way to think about RCS is SMS 2.0. The cell phone carriers used to make a lot of money with text messaging. Remember when it was part of the plan that you had to choose? So they really liked SMS, but then all of these messaging apps that we’re about to talk about started popping up. And these messaging apps have more features than SMS, and they are free.

So the cell phone carriers decided to make RCS, which is SMS with more features. It shouldn’t be that hard right, because all of the messaging apps can have features, so why can’t SMS. But the problem is that SMS is a protocol and it works across all the carriers and the phones. So getting all of the carriers to agree and move forward together is the biggest issue.

RCS became a project in 2007 and the initial release was 2012, but it’s been 5 years and no one is really using it. It seems like the carriers are getting on board now, but they might not matter all that much now. Android and google are backing RCS, but I don’t think Apple is. So if the idea is that RCS is SMS 2.0 and it works on every phone, that just can’t happen without Apple, they have iMessage and a billion iPhones out there. Google and andoid likes RCS, but they have their own messaging issues.

Overall who cares, no one really needs a new messaging app, as we’ll see.

So RCS is a nice bridge for OTT Messengers. This means Over the Top which is a pretty dated term that means an app is using data to pass messages rather than SMS. iMessage is probably the most unique OTT Messenger.

So Apple makes the iphone obviously and the iphone has an SMS app. iMessage is a little sneaky because it lives in the SMS app and basically jumps in front of the SMS and sends an iMessage if both the sender and recipient have an iPhone. It’s unique because they just started doing it – basically faking SMS messages and no user even knew it was happening. And now they are building out iMessage features, it connects to desktop and they are opening it up as a platform in 2018. So developers can build on it.

It’s kind of genius how they got a billion users. I should say that I switched to Android, so I don’t even know what’s new with iMessage, and iMessage is only available on iphones, which probably sucks.

The other big, unique OTT is Facebook Messenger. Obviously Facebook Messenger is connected to Facebook. Where Apple took all of their devices and pushed people into iMessage, Facebook is taking their social network and pushing people into Messenger.

They are also one of the first & biggest OTTs to open up the platform to developers. So in April 2016 they launched the Messenger platform, and that allows developers to build applications that connect to Messenger. This generated a ton of buzz and hype and brought into vogue the word bots or Chatbots. I hate that word, and it’s a big reason that I’m doing this Solo Series – to show Messaging separate from bots.

Anyways, the other interesting thing about Facebook Messenger is that it plugs into the Facebook Ad network. So there is a clear, trackable and target-able way to drive people into Messenger – and that way is Facebook Ads.

Moving on – some of the stuff I said about Facebook was a lie. They weren’t the first & biggest OTT to open a platform. That might be WeChat. WeChat is a Messaging platform in China and it’s supposedly the biggest thing there since rice. With the Facebook platform release, supposedly they are copying features and approach from WeChat.

I’ve never used it personally, but the story is that in China everyone uses WeChat instead of apps. So when you need to call an uber/car service or do anything on the phone, it’s through WeChat.

The other big OTT is WhatsApp. They are owned by Facebook, and absolutely huge. But there isn’t anything special about them other than they have a lot of users.

There are probably 50 other OTTs. The big ones are Telegram, Kik, Viber, Google Allo (so why do they have RCS) and there are country specific OTT in India and Japan. It’s just huge and I’m sure there are differences, but I don’t know them.

The next big category is probably Enterprise Messengers. Here we have Slack, Skype and maybe Linked In. Slack is a darling of the tech space, but it’s much more for internal communications than B2C. I don’t have many thoughts on these enterprise messengers right now other than they seem different from SMS and the OTTs discussed above.

There are a few messengers left that are hard to categorize. Twitter Direct Messages are a thing. They should be similar to Facebook Messages, but they just aren’t. I don’t know why. Twitter just released a platform so that developers can build DM applications, but I haven’t seen one ever. I worked on a Twitter DM application a long time ago and the APIs were just not ready. I had a specific tech question and there was just no documentation and I couldn’t get any response.

I don’t mean to badmouth them. DMs are probably a messaging channel, but really different from something like iMessage and I’m not sure where DM fit in.

The other messaging channel that’s hard to categorize is Snapchat. So this is really tricky. I don’t know that much, but I think you can be a brand on Snapchat and create stories, but to do anything with Snapchat is really expensive and more like media or partnerships. I don’t think a company could really build a messaging app and connect it to Snapchat.

I’m sure that I missed some. Would love to hear…

Next we’re going to dig a little deeper into SMS. There are many different approaches and some terms that are SMS 101, which we’ll talk through.

Episode #17 Arte Merritt Co-founder and CEO of Dashbot

Arte Merritt joins the podcast to talk about Dashbot and analytics for conversations and bots. Dashbot helps builders track what’s happening on their messaging and conversation applications. Dashbot works on messaging channels like Facebook Messenger and SMS as well as voice devices like Amazon Echo and Google Home.

The most impressive thing about Dashbot has been their growth. They’ve processed 7 billion messages for 10’s of thousands of bots and messaging applications.

You can find them online at http://dashbot.io and on twitter @dashbotio.

Episode #16 – Here’s why messaging is worth investigating

We’re starting something new with The Chat Bubble. This is the first episode in a series that will explain terms, share best practices, strategies and benchmarks for messaging and how organizations’ approach to the channel. We’re keeping these episodes short and of course we’ll still be interviewing people in the space regularly.

This episode talks about messaging as a channel, and why it’s worth understanding.

I look at messaging as one of only 5 communication channels in existence (Face to face, mail, phone, email and messaging). It’s a natural progression along the timeline of personal and business communication and messaging will be the primary communication channel on new devices (VR, AR, autos).

Hope you enjoy.

Paul de Gregorio, Director of Digital Engagement at Open, shares amazing messaging + fundraising examples

Wow what an episode! We’re chatting with Paul de Gregorio. He is the Director of Digital Engagement at Open – a full service agency in the UK that also builds messaging technology. Paul is a true believer in the power of messaging and he’s also designed and executed amazing messaging campaigns for organizations.

I edit every podcast after recording them and when I re-heard Paul’s description of the Break Through Breast Cancer campaign, it blew me away. It takes a lot of planning and the right strategy to make a campaign like this seem so simple. http://opencreates.com/2012/10/you-know-right/

We also discuss One Love Manchester and the fundraising from the benefit concert for the attack in Manchester. http://opencreates.com/2017/06/one-love-manchester/

The big news which was just announced today… the Stand for Rights Facebook Live campaign was nominated for an Emmy. http://opencreates.com/2017/07/what-do-ru-pauls-drag-race-benedict-cumberbatch-open-have-in-common/ Here is the longer description on the Open blog. http://opencreates.com/2017/04/stand-for-rights-stand-for-freedom/

Finally, Paul writes a regular newsletter focused on activism and the use of messaging in activism. Signup here and follow Paul on Twitter @pauldegregorio

Episode #14 Kate Myers, co-founder of Shop or Not

This episode is recorded live, so the conversation flow is a little different. Shop or Not is a really cool idea. Once you text in and sign up, it’s possible to make a purchase via SMS with one simple message.

We talk about Kate’s journey as an entrepreneur through her time building photo and video apps and how she arrived in the world of messaging. Shop or Not is a company to keep your eye on, so it’s really interesting to hear how they think about commerce and data.

Be sure to sign up at their website, (https://toshopornot.com/) or simply text in the word HELLO to 347-482-0881.

Episode 12: Stevan Simich CEO of Tact and creator of Mogli

Mogli is an SMS platform built inside of Salesforce. They focus on impact work in the US and abroad. We review a few interesting international campaigns and get some specific recommendation around doing SMS internationally.

One of the more interested things about Mogli is where I met them. They had a booth at the Nonprofit Technology Conference, a tradeshow that I had been to at least 5 times. It made me realize how big the space is, given that I hadn’t heard of Tact before, and they hadn’t heard of my previous employer or any of our campaigns. We’d been working in the same space for years!

It’s exciting to hear new stories and chat about an internationally expanding business.

Episode 11 with Seth Louey from Botlist

I loved chatting with Seth about roadtrips in your 20’s, moving to tech centers and everything that’s happening in the messaging space. I feel like I’ve really made it as an interviewer when I can get a guy like Seth to admit his infatuation with Christian Gray bot.

This is a fun, fast moving conversation about the current situation with Messaging and where the space is heading. Hope you like it.

Episode 10 – Danny Freed of Joy talks about tracking emotion and bot growth

On this episode of The Chat Bubble we talk to Danny Freed, the creator of Facebook Messenger campaign, Joy. Joy helps you track your mental state, the same way that Fitbit tracks your steps.

Joy has been featured in several publications and in the Facebook Messenger list inside of the app. We discuss how Joy came about, the state of the messaging space and where everything is heading.

Find Joy online here, http://www.hellojoy.ai/ or search for Joy on Facebook Messenger.